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Ellinikes aeroporikes kai alliances

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Ellinikes aeroporikes kai alliances

Δημοσίευσηαπό dtrach » 06 Ιαν 2003, 14:11

Kalispera sas!!!


Gnorizete giati kammia elliniki aeroporiki etairia den einai melos kammias.... "summaxias" opos star,oneworld ktlp????
Yparxei kammia periptosi na exoume perissotera nea sxetika me auto to thema???

Euxaristo :)

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Δημοσίευσηαπό alexander » 12 Ιαν 2003, 04:28

hello there

edw olokliri swiss den ginetai apodekti stin oneworld logw oikonomikwn symferontwn kai milame kai gia ellinikes..... :shock:
pali kala na leme pou akoma yparxei ellinikos flagcarrier :cry:

outws i allws se mia xwra me 2 mono vasikes aeroporikes etairies (olympic kai aegean) kai malista se aytin tin fasi tous (i mia ypo dialysi kai i alli ypo anasygrotisi kai statheropoiisi) einai dyskolo na yparksei antagwnismos wste kapoia apo tis dyo na provei se analoges symaxies.
kai oi dyo koitoun poly ston eswteriko xwro kai ligotero sto ekswteriko giati apo apopsi proorismwn einai poly pisw apo oles tis alles eyrwpaikes etairies kai meta tin 11.septemvriou ta perithwria kerdous einai mikra.

den mporoun na riskaroun tin eisodo tous se kapoia symaxia giati kseroun pws den einai antagwnistikes kai ayto emperiexei megalo risko.
an px i olimpiaki mpei stin star alliance kai thelei kapoios apo athina na paei monaxo, ksafnika i star alliance sou proteinei kai tin lufthansa kai tin austrian. kai an ta milia sou metrane me opoia kai na pas kai oi times einai se paromoia epipeda, poia tha protimisei o kosmos?
akoma omws kai na riskaran einai amfivolo an kapoia symaxia tha dexotan kapoia elliniki aeroporiki etairia.

enas apo tous vasikous logous gia ayto einai oti stin notia kai anatoliki eyrwpi yparxoun arketa hubs etairiwn pou einai idi meli kapoias symaxias. (px italia-alitalia apo skyteam, aystria-austrian apo star alliance, ispania-iberia apo oneworld)

an prosekses kathe alliance exei stratigika topothetimenes aerogrammes.
ola exoun apo mia etairia stin USA, stin latiniki ameriki, stin agglia/gallia,stin notia eyrwpi kai toulaxiston mia stin kentriki eyrwpi, stin indonisia kai notioanatoliki asia genika. ayto simainei oti an kapoia elliniki etairia empaine se ayta ta alliances ta dromologia tis tha sinepeftan kata megalo meros me allwn kontinwn aerogramwn opote o antagwnismos metaksy tous tha erixne tis times. o vasikos logos yparksis twn alliances itan omws akrivws o antistrofos. diatirisi ypsilwn eisitiriwn kai symperasmatika kai kerdwn me paroxi ws antallagma tin koini xrisi miliwn kai to kalytero service.
kai i ellada, me molis 10ekatomyria plithismo, den apotelei idiaitera elkistiko meros gia ependyseis tetoiou typou.

ara apo tin stigmi pou oi ellinikes aerogrammes oute pollous proorismous exoun, oute idiaitera kerdofores einai, den syntrexei logos gia tis symaxies na mas dextoun.
to xasame to treno.... eprepe nwritera na analavoume drasi alla oi dikoi mas CEO twn aeoporikwn ws synithws koimountai....

tin wra pou oi alles etairies ftiaxnoun apsoga sites, dimourgoun shops me proionta me ta logotypa tous, ginontai filikes kai eykola prosvasimes oi dikes mas etairies koimountai ton ypno tou dikaiou...
arkei kaneis na mpei sto site tis olympiakis kai katalavainei :cry:

anyway, etsi vlepw egw tin katastasi.
kata tin gnwmi mou mono 2 eidwn etairies tha zisoun sto mellon.
oi low-cost-no-frills kai oi symaxies. stin ellada exoume anagki tin prwti giayto oloi perimenoume pws kai pws tin hellas-jet. tin deyteri periiptwsi tha prepei na tin afisoume toulaxiston gia to prosexes, kai toulaxiston mexri tin eksygeiansi tis olympiakis, diastima stin akri.

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Δημοσίευσηαπό dtrach » 15 Ιαν 2003, 11:58

Sumfono alla pleon den mpainoun se alliances mono megales etairies me ektetameno diktuo,ktlp ktlp...Diladi...Den einai dunaton na mpainei i LOT kai i CSA kai na min mpainei se alliance i OA :evil:
Kai stis stadar grammes FRA,LHR to proion pou prosferei i OA kata tin gnomi mou einai isaksio ton LH kai BA ....alloste den tha antagonizontan stis sugrekrimenes grammes alla tha sumplirone i mia tin alli........

Opos i Spanair tha mpei tora STAR , etsi tha eprepe na kanei kai i aegean kata tin gnomi mou afou exei ektetameno diktuo stin germania kai idi sunergazete me tin LH

I OA kalo tha itan na eixe mpei oneworld otan mporouse alla...... :( :(

To leo epeidi ,entaksei ,stin Athina kathe alliance exei isxuri parousia (oneworld,skyteam,star) alla sta upoloipa ellinika aerodromia einai anuparkti...kai ok i ellada exei mikro plithismo alla den einai toso mikri agora...


Gia na doume... :(

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Δημοσίευσηαπό alexander » 16 Ιαν 2003, 02:08

dystyxws mporei oloi mas na paineyoume tin olympiaki alla oi ksenoi exoun alli apopsi gia mas, kai an taksidepseis sto ekswteriko kai tous rwtiseis, molis akousoun to onoma "olympiaki", gelane (kati to opoio vriskw idiaitera eknevristiko)

egw petaw sxedon panta me olympiaki kai as einai akrivi gia tis ypiresies pou prosferei, mono kai mono gia ton egwismo mou ws ellinas. omws osa lefta kai an tis dwsoume ws pelates, ginetai kakodiaxeirisi kai pane xamena.

enw i LH egkainiazei gia prwti fora internet en ptisi (!!!!). as min sygkrinoume ta anomoia, tis stigmi pou i OA den exei oute ena ypotypwdes internet shop......

as afisoume omws to goitro kai ton egoismo mas stin akri kai as doume ta stoixeia:
o idios o proedros tis Cyprus kata tin omilia anakoinwsis idrysis tis HellasJet eipe oti i elliniki agora exei xoro mono gia dyo kai oti dimiourgei tin HellasJet twra, ekmetalleyomenos to keno tis olympiakis, kai oti tha prospathisei na kanei to kalytero pou mporei, prosferontas kalyteres ypiresies. koinws... stous dyo..... tritos (duskola) xwraei.

i LOT drastiriopeiitai stin polwnia se mia agora 45 ekatomyriwn, idiaitera anekmetalleyti kai me ipsila perithwria kerdous, enw edw tha prepei ws oikonomologos na symplirwsw oti i polwnia vrisketai se katastasi idiaiteris stiriksis apo tin germania se ola ta epipeda (i germania ithele tin polwnia stin eyrwpaiki enwsi, i germania dinei xrimata ekviomixanisis stous polwnous kai fysika i LH ws head tis STAR eksakolouthei) (vevaia ayta einai allou eidous symferonta, ta opoia den xwrane se mia istoselida kathara aeroporikou endiaferontos)

oso anafora tin spanair, i star alliance exei mikri parousia stin ditiki eyrwpi (mono bmi) kai i eisodos mias notiodytikis itan epivevlimeni.
oxi opws stin kentroanatoliki eyrwpi (LH, austrian, Lauda, tyrolean, LOT)

wstoso pistevw oti me ligo kalytero management i AEGEAN exei ta fonta na mpei toulaxiston stin OneWorld mias kai stin notioanatoliki eyrwpi den exei parousia, alla ta dromologia tis AEGEAN den perilamvanoun katholou anatolikous proorismous kai einai dyskolo....

olles mas oi elpides stin HellasJet (pou syn tois allois, exei kati pou latrevw, an kai den exw dei livery kai simata akoma - alitheia, kserei kaneis pou mporw na ta vrw??)

H HELLASJET EINAI TELEIA GIATI EINAI I MONI POU XRISIMOPOIEI TIN ONOMASIA TIS XWRAS MAS KAI MALISTA OXI STO AGGLOFRAGKIKO "GREECE" (MPLIAX) ALLA MEGALOPREPESTATA ME TO H-E-L-L-A-S

(oxi opws i "germanwings" pou protimise to aggliko german :x )
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Δημοσίευσηαπό dtrach » 16 Ιαν 2003, 11:06

Katarxin prepei na po oti xairomai para polu pou mporo na zitiso ena apo ta agapimena mou themata toso oraia kai me anthropous pou gnorizoun to antikeimeno :)
Pragmatika xairomai!


Kaneis den paineuei tin OA kai oloi gnorizoume ta xalia tis....alla an den kano lathos akoma metaferei arketous epivates oste na min apotelei amelitea posotita.
Oson afora olous autous pou isxurizontai oti i OA einai mia polu kaki etairia,ti na po...Exo diavasei reviews apo ptiseis sto internet,den ksero.
To mono pou ksero einai oti tha 2 teleutaia xronia petao 2 fores tin evdomada me tin OA kai pote MA pote den eixa kako-kaki aerosunodo...tora pos anthropoi..me mia ptisi tis OA eixan toso kakes entuposeis den gnorizo.

Paradexomai oti uparxoun 100000000 pragmata pou me enoxloun se auti tin etairia,alla den fantazomai oti einai toso kaki oso merikoi isxurizontai.Sto kato kato kai i Alitalia to idio service den prosferei???
Opos kai I LH kata tin gnomi mou prosferei arketa xeirotero service apo
tin BA alla auto den simainei oti den antagonizontai se olous tous tomeis.


Hahaha mporei i lufthansa na prosferei internet on board se long haul ptiseis alla poia alli etairia ektos apo tin OA prosferei PTVs se intra european ptiseis? :wink: :lol: :lol:

omws osa lefta kai an tis dwsoume ws pelates, ginetai kakodiaxeirisi kai pane xamena



Sumfono apolutos!!!!!Opos pisteuo oti o k.Kalofonos prepei na fugei apo tin etairia ASAP

Gia tin Hellas Jet o xronos tha deiksei...omos poso aksiopistes einai i kupriakes aerogrammes??? Den gnorizo polla stoixei oson afora kerdi,zimies ktlp ktlp

Mporei i polonia na einai mia anekmetaleuti agora ktlp ktlp alla i LOT den prosferei TIPOTA stin star oson afora neous proorismous ktlp ktlp..koinos eukola i austrian,SAS kai i LH tha mporousan na tin ekmetalleutoun


As min itan i spanair thugatriki tis SAS kai tha ta legame tote :wink:



Kai ego perimeno pos kai pos na do livery hellas jet!!! Elpizo na einai san tis British Midland,entuposiako kai oxi san to polu kako livery tis mitrikis tis! lol

Auta eixa na po! :)

Kali sas mera!

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Δημοσίευσηαπό alexander » 16 Ιαν 2003, 19:38

kai emena einai idiaiteri xara mou na mpow na lamvanw meros se tetoies syzitiseis!!! edw vriskeis atoma pou pragmatika endiaferontai gia tin aeroporia. makari kai oi ypeythinoi tis olympiakis na itan etsi..... :cry:

tha symfwnisw apolyta me to thema tis Alitalia... pragmatika einai sta idia, isws xeirotera kapoies fores epipeda me tin olympic. kata tin gnwmi mou exei metriotato fagito kai adiaforo proswpiko. kai oi pilotoi tis exoun ekpdeytei na kanoun tis pio apotoma anodikes apogeiwseis.... apisteyto synaisthima... eilikrina den katalavainw an aytou tou eidous i apogeiwsi ginetai gia kapoio sygkekrimeno logo.
episis exoun arketes kathisteriseis (exw petaksei 5 fores me AZ kai panta eixan - einai tyxaio????? :P )
vevaia den mporw na pw, an kai exoun paromoia oikonomika provlimata me tin olypmic, kai genika se diafora sites akouw ta idia dysmeni sxolia opws kai gia tin olympic, EXOUN KATAFEREI NA DIMIOURGISOUN ENA STATUS. ennow oti to onoma Alitalia eksakolouthei na exei ena megalo varos stin diethni skini.(antitheta me tin olympiaki pou olo fthinei to prestige mas)
ektos aytou exei kataferei me tin Air France na dimiourgisei ena pio eyoino mellon gia tin idia mesw tou diktyou tis SkyFly.

i alitheia einai oti ta perissotera dysmeni sxolia sta sites gia tin olympic erxontai apo atoma pou taksidepsan mono mia fora me tin Olympic.
kai ayto einai fysiologiko gia tin i prwti entypwsi paizei panta poly megalo rolo.

an vgei kapoios apo tin thesi tou syxnou taksidiwti me tin olypmic kai thewrisei eayton ws ena 20-25 xronwn agglo i gallo i germano pou petaei me tin olympic gia prwti fora, ti synaisthimata kai entypwseis tha apokomisei????

Katarxas ta aeroplana: sxetika palia, me ta perissotera na exoun ena eswteriko se imi-athlia katastasi kai ena ekswteriko se kseperasmeno livery...
ase pou to idio to logo tis Olympic kai to sima tis anikoun sto 70-80's age-design.
To fagito: oloi lene oti to kreas den trwgetai, oti to meal pou prosferetai genika einai katw tou mesou orou klp

pou einai i palia olympiaki me ta teleia fagita, to teleio service, to ISXIROTATO BRAND-NAME....... :cry:

opote einai logiko na apogoiteyontai kai na min ksanapetane me tin olympic.....

[quote]As min itan i spanair thugatriki tis SAS kai tha ta legame tote[/quote]

vlepeis loipon pws opws kai stin periptwsi tis LOT oi syamaxies ypagoreyontai apo isxira symferonta, kai i olympiaki stin parousa fasi einai anikani na kanei to paramikro, afou ousiastika einai "akefali", xwris kapoion na mporei ypeythina na tin symvoulepsei ep' aytou. oloi koitoun tin idiwtikopoiisi kai tipota allo.

oso gia tin cyprus, tha symfwnisw oti den mou aresei idiaitera to neo tis livery, mporouse na einai kai kalitero, wstoso einai symfono me tis epitages tou synxronou livery-design pou thelei tin atrakto oli kataspri (mia taktiki pou arxise i lufthansa kai apo tote oloi tin antegrapsan, en antithesei me tin Olympic kai tin Alitalia pou diatiroun mia diamiki xrwmtismeni grami sto ypsos twn parathirwn, synitheia twn late 60's ews late80's.
simera an deis, Swiss, SAS, Lufthansa, BA, Cyprus, Virgin Atlantic, Qantas, akoma kai AEGEAN kai oi makedonikes aerogrames, oles exoun leyki atrakto kai xrwmatisti oura... alla emeis koimomaste.......

oso anafora ta oikonomika tis, exei ena poly kalo management (allwste den einai tyxaio oti ftiaxnei tin HellasJet AYTIN TIN XRONIKI STIGMI, ME AYTO TO ELLINIKO ONOMA (amesi kontra me tin olympic pou sto yposinidito olwn mas simainei ellada) STIN DIKIA MAS AGORA, kai xrwstaei polla stin panisxiri kypriaki lira i opoia mprosta stin dikia mas draxmi fantaze isxiroteri kai apo dollario.
den einai tyxaio pou lene oti:
" i kypros oxi mono katafere me to spathi tis na perasei tin pyli tis eyrwpaikis enwsis, alla mporouse kalista na agorasei tin idia tin pyli kai na ftiaksei kai alles deka!!!!!!!
me alla logia oi kyprioi, (dystyxws gia mas) den exoun anagki na fovountai tipota... :D

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