Tanker gia tin PA ?

Hristos

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gia,

prin poles mines itane mia megali sisitisi, gia Tanker gia tin pollemiki aeroporia. Tote melousane gia tin parragelia 4-6 Aeroplana typo:

# KC135E (B707-300)
# KC135R (B707-300 me kinitires tou 757-200)
# DC10 tis pollemikis aeroporias tis ollandias,
# systimata AR (air refuelling) gia ta C-130 tis PA
# Upgrade se Tanker, ta metaxerismena 727 tis OA΄s (!)
# kai ( ipsolos kostos, kai gia avto malon oxi) ta KC767 (B767-200)

then akousa tipota tis teleftees mines giavto to programma, pori mipos na me pi kanis tipota??

Hristos
 
Νομιζω και το Α320 ειναι στο παιχνιδι (το θελει η RAF) και νομιζω εχει τις καλες τις καρτες με το ματι και στο Α400 Μ οπου θελουνε να μας τσιμπισουνε.. Εννοειται με οικονομικα ανταλλαγματα και ελαφρυνσεις..


Αλλα ως λαος εχουμε τη μοναδικη ικανοτητα να κλωτσαμε τις καλυτερες ευκαιριες και να περνουμε σκουπιδια (καπως ετσι ειχαμε αποκτησει και τα ΑΜΧ-30 απο τους Γαλλους.. Τοτε ητανε το ΑΜΧ-10 το καλυτερο ΤΟΜΠ και μας φεσωσανε στο τελος τα ΑΜΧ-30 για τους οποιους ητανε οτι και τα Starfigter για τη Luftwaffe :!: - για οσους δε γνωριζουνε - 68 πτωσεις σε λιγοτερο απο 1 χρονο ειχαν σαν αποτελεσμα την καθηλωση τους και τον παροπλισμο τους λιγο αργοτερα)
 
Ehm....

Nai ta A330 evvow... :mrgreen: Sorry


Ti ta 8elei?
:arrow: Summetexovtas se die8veis epixnpnseis mazeuei to proswpiko peira. :arrow: Parateivetai n diapkeia peripolias twv M-2000, A-7 kai F-16 ka8e fopa pou snkwvovtai. Auto exei sav apotelesma tnv kalutepn avtimetwpisn twv toupkikwv proklnsewv. (Ta A7 vai mev bombapdistika alla av dev kavw la8os ta A-7H exouv akoma to swlnva evaepiou avefodiasmou )
:arrow: Ta ERIEYE me mia mikpn sxetika metatropn mprouv v'avefodiajontai stov aepa, kai dev pisteuw oti prepei va e3ngnsw ti snmevei auto apo taktikn apopsn..
:arrow: Kai mia kai pou milame gia'auto.. Ta maxntika mporouv va snkw8ouve me maximum oplismo se oti afopa to bapos, me ligotepa kausima (wste va mnv 3eperastei to opio maximum height) Auto prattouv allwste kai oi perissotepes aeropories tou kosmou
:arrow: Kai as mn 3exvame oti eva tanker deivei duvatotntes be8eias prosbolns kai diatnpnsns tns evaereias uperoxns.
:arrow: Kaveis apolutws exei mia idea ti mporei va mas fepei to mellov. Ta tanker eivei mia polu kaln epevdusn kai se telikn avalusn makropro8esma mporouv va favouv para polu xpnsima




Epwtnseis?

:cool: :D :cool:
 
makedonas":3rmfxvgy said:
Ta A7 vai mev bombapdistika alla av dev kavw la8os ta A-7H exouv akoma to swlnva evaepiou avefodiasmou )

Ta A-7E ehoun swlina anefodiasmou giati proerxontai apo to Amerikaniko Naytiko (paralifthikan gyro sto 1993). Ta A-7H einai kathara shediasi gia tis ellinikes anagkes kai agorastikan apo tin polemiki aeroporia kainourgia to 1975-77. Ayta den diathetoun systima enaeriou enafodiasmou mias kai tin dekaetia tou '70 den itan mesa sta plana tis PA na agorasei iptameno tanker.

Episeis stous parapanw logous yper tis apoktisis iptamenou tanker prepei na prosthesoume to gegonos oti oi Tourkoi idi edw kai kamia pentaetia diathetoun gyro sta 7 metaxeirismena-enoikiasmena KC-135 tis USAF.


Christos :D :D
 
regnis":1pxoqr63 said:
makedonas":1pxoqr63 said:
Episeis stous parapanw logous yper tis apoktisis iptamenou tanker prepei na prosthesoume to gegonos oti oi Tourkoi idi edw kai kamia pentaetia diathetoun gyro sta 7 metaxeirismena-enoikiasmena KC-135 tis USAF.


Christos :D :D

Perav toutou Xpnsto oi Toupkoi sumetasxouv se die8veis asknseis kai kavouv asknseis aveodiasmou apo amepikavika KC-135R. Gia emas ws e8vos ta tanker exouv zwtikn snmasia kai as faivetai para3vo.. Kaveis de prepei va koitaei ti mporei va sumbei se 5-7 xpovia, allla se 20-30..

:arrow: Kai me tous geitoves pou exoume ola eivai pi8ava.. Pisteuw oti 3 A330-200 sav tanker eivai mia polu kaln lusn.. giati meta erxetai kai to A400-M kai to C-130 J dev eivai ikavos avtipalos loge nlikias, sxediasns, vootropias. Allwste ta vea F-16 Block 52+ pou paralambavoume au3avouv tis duvatotntes xphshs..

Ta tankers eivai pollaplassiastes isxuos kai tetoious pollaplasiastes tous exoume avagkn.. 'H agopazoume alla 250 F-16 Block 52+ kai 250 EF-2000 (opio maxntikwv eivai ta 650 gia Ellada) kai divoume ma8nmata evaepais kupiapxeias sta mu3iapika tns avatolikns ox8ns.. :twisted:

Alla ta tankers epxovtai kalutepa (logw dnmogpafikns katastasns)


filakia

Stefos
 
paidia auto den to enoo prosopika, kai den thelo na "mplekso" me kapion apo tous filous tis PA:

ta tanker den einai kamia ependisi sto mellon tis horas, alla einai mia spatali kratikon hrimaton ellinon forologoumenon, ta opia hrimata tha mporousan na ksodeutoun poly kalitera se alla pragmata gia ofelos olys tis ellinikis kinonias.

oi monei pou ehoun ofelos apo ta tanker einai kati kompleksiki stratiotiki pou lene oti ehoun oi tourkoi prepei na tos ehoume kai emeis, gia na ehoume kai katei na kanoume figoura: alithino ofelos apo tin agora tanker den tha ehei ellada kathos aploustata den ehei tin ektasi (geografika) pou na hriazete tanker
 
Sunfono me ton Alex. Etsi ki allios, gia na mporoun ta tankers na epixeiroun me asfaleia, prepei na briskontai polu makria apo to pedio maxhs(i.e Italia, Aigipto etc) pragma pou ta kanei gia mas teleios axrhsta. H monh xrhsimotita tha uphrxe stis periptoseis askhseon tou NATO. Antithetos einai arketa xrhsima gia thn Tourkia pou einai megalh xora kai exei "anoixta metopa" apo ola ths ta sunora.
To oti exoun oi Tourkoi de sumenei oti prepei na paroume kai emeis.
 
kalispera :)

to thema tou tanker ine,

ola ta maxitika tis PA, F4, F16, M2000, me AAC Full Load (Air to Air Combat;
as poume standard gia ena F-4E ICE me 4 x AIM-9M/L-1 4 x AIM-120B, kai na min ksexname oti maxitika sto ACC then pentane me eksoterika Tanks, - megalos bavros -> less manouverbility )

then exoune tin dinatotita, na petane apo tin Larisa, N. Agxialos i tin Tanagra (pou ine i pio kontini aerodiadremi pros tin Tourkia) me Zoni 5 (afterburner),
kai na exoune xrono gia pio poli apo 12-25 lepta (pou exertate apo, Type, Kairos, Piloto ktlp) gia na blokaroune ta maxitika tis Tourkias.

giati letai exase i PA tosa aeroplana apo "bingo" ( > 3% Fuel apo 90-100% pou ixe to maxitiko prin T/O) meta pou teliose to blokarisma?

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o pios megalos ekthros gia ta tanker tha itane apo tin Tourkia ta Aim-120A/B
pou exoune ena "Optimal Range" apo peripou 70 hiliometra, kai avto exertate kai pali apo kairo, ECS ktlp.
Ta Tanker tha itane mono se epikindi thesi, ama tha petousane Ikaria - N.Psara - Limnos,

Hristos
 
File alex,

dev exei va kavei me komplex.. H avagn gia tankers eivai megaln (n 8a ntav megaln) av n PA gia paradeigma eftave se snmeio ikavotntas ba8eias eisbolns sto ex8piko edafos. Auto snmaivei oti prepei va metafepei kai megalutepo api8mo AIM-9 (apgotepa IRIS-T) suv tis bombes aepous-edafous.

Alla ka8e aeposkafos exei periopismevo megisto bapos apogeiwsns. Dnladn apo taktikn apopsn dev givetai va foptwsoume eva aeposkafos opws emeis to 8eloume kai sto telos va to foulapoume.. kai me 7 km aepodiadpomo dev prokeitai va snkw8ei.. :oops: Giauto loipov n USAF tivgapei ta skafn me bombes klp, kai me to 1/3 tns megistns posotntas kausimwv kai ta avefodiazei ev ptnsn.

Alla kai av to dei kaveis to 8ema apo amuvtikn skopia, tote blepoume oti ta aeposkafn mporouv va meivouve polu megalutepn wpa stov aepa.. Kai sta plaisia peripolis mporei va givei o avefodiasmos kai to skafos va prosgeiw8ei amesws gia allagn pilotou kai ap'eu8eias epavapogeiwsn - 8ema mepikwv leptwv movaxa..

:arrow: Gi'auto eipa oti ta tankers eivai ousiastika pollaplasiastes isxuos.. :!: :!: :!:

ta leme..

Stefos
 
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