A380

[seven4seven]

Safws kai einai gnwmi sou kai auto den mporw na to sxoliasw...to pio einai omorfo kai to pio oxi einai entelws ipokeimeniko, alla den nomizw oti oi etaireies pou epeleksan kai tha epileksoun to 380 tha to kanoun gia na omorfinoun to stolo tous!

Ennoeitai....edw milisa ka8ara san spotter

To 380 erxetai oxi mono ws apantisi twn eurwpaiwn stin kiriarxia tis Boeing alla kai gia na kalipsei kapoia kena stin oikogeneia tis Airbus opws episis kai ws apantisi stin anagi gia ena megalitero kai pio oikonomiko aeroskafos.

Nai,profanws i Airbus eide oti i Boeing den proxwrise oute me to NLA oute me to 747X kai adrakse tin eykairia (den lew oti ekane asxhma,apla to risko einai megalo!)

Loipon, to 380 se 3-class configuration tha xwraei 555 epivates kai mporei na min einai 1500 opws les alla 100-120 parapanw epivates se kathe ptisi einai mia mi amelitea veltiwsh. Kai auto giati opws gnwrizoume, ta megalitera aerodromia tou kosmou simera antimetwpizoun provlimata xwritikotitas.
Aerodromia opws to LHR, pou den mporoun na prosthesoun kai allo runway (akoma kai an mporousan auto tha xreiazotan kamia 10aria xronia enw to provlima einai TWRA), exoun sovarotato meionektima kai oles oi etaireies sfazontai gia ena politimo slot.
I moni lisi loipon einai na agorasoun oi megaliteres aerogrammes tou kosmou megalitera aeroskafi kai na meiwsoun tis ptiseis tous pros auta ta aerodromia. Akoma kai 100 epivates parapanw (pou den einai kai ligoi) mporei na simenei oti i etaireia tha exei tin dinatotita na kanei kati tetoio.

Symfwnw,apla eksakolou8ei na isxyei to oti to 380 den 8a taraksei toso poly ta nera oso to 747 pisw sta 1969! Ayto,vevaia,den ka8ista to 380 aparaitita ypodeestero,etsi?

Vevaia mporeis na peis oti kapoia apta aerodromia tou kosmou den einai etoima kai tha xreiastoun polla lefta gia na proetoimastoun gia to 380 (exei apaitiseis apo mikos kai platos runway kapou 4 km i 11000ft, megalitera taxiway gia megalitero wingspan kai safws megalitera terminals gia na ikanopoiisoun perissoterous epivates)!! milame gia polla lefta....alla mipws kai to 747 2-3 xronia prin to 1970 den eixe paromoies apaitiseis gia ta dedomena tis epoxis??? oi ependiseis pou eixan kanei ta megalitera aerodromia tote kratisan 30 xronia.

30 xronia oxi, alla safws kai xreiasthkan tropopoiiseis (enisxysi/epimhkynsi diadromwn,nees "fysounes" klp). Ennoeitai oti kai gia to 380 xreiazontai paromoies tropopoiiseis. Alla mipws telika ayto epirreasei tis times twn eishthriwn apo mia periodo kai meta? Eksigoumai: ta aerodromia 8a ksodepsoun terastia posa gia na ginoun "A380-friendly". Ayto to kostos 8a katameristei se forous aerodromiwn, oi opoioi 8a xtypisoun kokkino! Poios 8a thn plhrwsei? Oi epivates! Opote, par'oti to 380 8a einai pio oikonomiko klp klp, to eishtirio 8a anevei,antista8mizontas to opoio kerdos/ofelos apo thn oikonomiki leitourgia tou neou montelou.

To 380 einai episis mprosta oson afora tin filikotita pros to perivallon...ena tomea pou to 747 exei veltiwsei alla ta dedomena allazoun sinexeia. Ta aerodromia piezontai aptis kiverniseis, tis prasines organwseis (kai den ennow to Pasok ) kai tous perioikous na apagoreusoun tis nixterines ptiseis logw thorivou twn aeroskafwn. To 380 einai arketa pio athorivo apto 747.
Episis analogika me to megethos tou exei ligoteres kauseis.

Safestata,alla milame gia mia sxediasi tou 21ou aiwna, enw to B744 prwtopetakse to...1988! Anomoia gia sygrisi! Sygrisi ston tomea ayto 8a dexomoun an milousame kai gia ena 747-500,i den kserw egw ti allo

Genikws kai gia na min se kourasw me tous tomeis pou ws aeroskafos iperisxiei, to 380 den irthe epeidi ta afentika tis Airbus apofasisan mia wraia mera na ftiaksoun antagwnisti gia to 747 (einai enas aptous logous vevaia).
To 380 einai apotelesma pollwn etwn ereunas kai stenis epikoinwnias metaksi tis kataskeuastrias kai twn aerogrammwn pou ithelan ena pio oikonomiko aeroskafos gia na antimetwpisoun ola auta pou proanefera.
Einai apotelesma tis zitisis kai oxi tis antagwnistikotitas!

Einai apotelesma KAI zitisis KAI antagwnistikotitas! Oloi kseroume ti sfagh ginetai metaksy Airbus kai Boeing! Se anti8esi,vevaia, me to 747 opu sxediasthke tin epoxi opu oloi elegan "The bigger,the better"... Xwris kamia idietaira sovarh ereyna agoras (px mono 25 Firm apo tin PA). Telika omws,to 747 simera,einai ayto pou einai,kai ayto prepei na sou leei polla!

Sin tis allois to 380 sto mellon tha ananewnete sinexws (me freighter, stretched, LR versions ktl), enw to 747 exei sxedon ftasei sta oria tou me tis sinexeis ananewseis ta teleutaia 30 xronia.

Oi etaireies pou to exoun parageilei (opws Emirates, Virgin, Singapore, FedEx, ktl) to theloun gia na antikatastisoun ta 747 tous. Sto kontino mellon den vlepw na eksafanizontai ta 747 alla den nomizw oti iparxei amfivolia gia to ti tha ginei sto makrino mellon.

Ennoeitai re c oti an den yparksei neo montelo 747, sigoura kapote 8a vlepoume mono 380 enw ta 747 8a einai thgania kai katsaroles (koufia i wra!).
Skepsou omws kai to allo. Otan ta 380 arxisoun na paliwnoun, poia deyteroklassath etaireia 8a parei metaxeirismeno ena toso megalo aeroskafos??? OK,mia Corsair px isws...Alla genika exw ena proais8ima oti se secon-hand market to 380 den 8a traviksei...(Poly mwris gia na kseroume otidipote,gia proais8hma milaw )

8a epanel8w otan epanel8eis!

 

[seven4seven]

se oti afora to A380, mnv 3exvas oti snmera epiukratouv alles suv8nkes stnv pagkosmia agora ef'evos, kai mia diaforetikn katastasn stnv oikovomia af'eterou. Me alla logia, mnv perimeveis vaexei tous idious pu8mous paraggeliwv, opws to B747 priv apo 30 kai kati xpovia!

Ma gi ayto akrivws,Stefane,amfivallw gia to kata poso 8a einai emporikh epityxia to 380 gia tin Airbus kai den 8a tin "valei mesa" kata kapoio astronomiko poson... :? MAKARI na einai, den 8elw to anti8eto, alla epetrepse mou na diathrw epifylakseis...

 

[dtrach]

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1) Δεν είναι καλιστεία . Άλλωστε η Airbus κατασκευάζει ακόμα το ομορφότερο αεροπλάνο (Α345 ) αλλά δεν το κάνει και θέμα

2) Είναι τεράστιο...

3) Θα πετύχει..και ας φαίνεται τώρα δύσκολο........΄Πιστεύω ότι ο κόσμος θα θέλει να πετά μόνο και μόνο με αυτό όπως έγινε παλαιότερα με το 747

 

[goldfish]

To A345 to pio omorfo aeroplano????
Xm.......Ok gousta einai ayta.

Pwpw re to A 380 sits fwtografies moaizei me.....ypobryxio

 

[A380]

seven4seven,

tha apantisw se kapoies paratiriseis sou.

Prwton sxetika me tis times twn eisitiriwn: safws kai to extra kostos tis epektasis pou tha anagastoun na kanoun ta aerodromia prepei na kaliftei kapws. Alla prin doume pws, as analogistoume 3 pragmata:

1) oi pelates twn aerodromiwn einai oi aeroporikes grammes. Se kammia periptwsh to aerodromio den tha zitouse auksisi twn xrewsewn panw apo kapoia logika plaisia. Kai auto giati logw tou provlimatos xwritikotitas opws ksanapa i pio logiki lisi einai na apomakrithoun kapoia mikrotera aeroskafi pou kanoun sixnes ptiseis kai na erthei to 380 me ligoteres ptiseis (sixnotita) alla megaliteri xwritikotita kai na kalipsei tin zitisi. Einai dinaton na forologiseis kati to opoio tha sou ferei perissoteri kinisi epivatwn sto aerodromio sou?
Epipleon, ta perissotera aerodromia ston kosmo exoun diaforetika timologia se sxesi me to varos tou kathe aeroskafous. An koitakseis tis xrewseis diaforetikwn diethnwn aerodromiwn ana ton kosmo i sintriptiki pleiopsifia xrewnei ligotero ana kilo ta aeroskafi anw ton 65-75 tonwn. Auto kai mono epivevewnei tin logiki pou leei oti megalitera aeroskafi me megaliteri xwrhtikotita kai ligoteri sixnotita ptisewn einai mia lisi gia to provlima simforisis twn aerodromiwn.


2) ta perissotera aerodromia exoun ws praktiki auto pou leme cross-subsidising. Me liga logia kaliptoun tis zimies enws tomea (vlepe kostos aerometaforon) me ta kerdi apo kapoion allo (vlepe enoikio katastimatwn pou leitourgoun sto aerodromio, parking autokinitwn, duty free, ktl). An kapoios loipon prepei na anisixei einai autes oi etaireies pou noikiazoun xwrous mesa sto aerodromio! An kai autes me tin seira tous mporoun na karpwthoun ta ofeli twn perissoterwn epivatwn.

3) Oles oi kiverniseis tou kosmou exoun kapoio eidos elegxou twn timwn olwn twn xrewsewn pou epivaloun ta aerodromia stis aeroporikes etaireies. Sinithws mesw tis ekastote ipiresias politikis aeroporias kai kiriws logo tou oti ta aerodromia einai sinithos monopolia stin perioxi tin opoia leitourgoun. Auto sigoura dinei mia sigouria stis aeroporikes etaireies kai tous epivates oti ta aerodromia den tha arxisoun na xrewnoun ipervolikes times.

Epomenws den pisteuw oti oi etaireies pou tha leitourgoun me A380 tha xrewnoun parapanw sta eisitiria tous.


Sxetika me to 747 kai genikws gia ta megala aeroskafi, kserw me sigouria oti i Boeing den endiaferete na antapantisei (toulaxiston oxi stin arxi) me stretched versions. Kai auto giati den pisteuei (i den thelei na pisteuei) oti iparxei megali agora gia aeroskafi megalitera tou 744. I Boeing exei epistisei tin prosoxi tis stin agora gia mesaia aeroskafi xwritikotitas 200-250 thesewn - vlepe 7E7.

To stoixima einai loipon megalo kai gia tis 2 etaireies. I men Airbus ipostirizei oti iparxei agora gia megalitera aeroskafi kai oti sto mellon i zitisi gia auta tha anevei, enw i Boeing pisteuei oti to paixnidi tha ginei stin agora 200-250 thesewn. O telikos nikitis isws na einai kai o monos pou tha epiviwsei vevaia giati kai oi 2 etaireies exoun riksei polla lefta sta programmata tous.

Telos sxetika me tin antagwnistikotita pou les. To A380 pisteuw oti einai thema zitisis gia ola ta parapanw...An omws psaxneis gia ena aeroskafos pou erxete ws kinisi antagwnistikotitas kai oxi zitisis i ereuna agoras, auto einai to A350. O kirios logos pou i Airbus tha dimiourgisei auto to aeroskafos einai gia na iparxei antagwnistis tou 7E7.

Elpizw na apantisa epikodomoitika sta epixeirimata sou,

A380

 

[Avior]

Χμμμ ώραια τα λέτε παιδιά.

1ον σε όσους λένε ότι το 380 τους μοιάζει με υποβρύχιο, μπανάνα, τέρας, καρπούζι, κολοκύθα δεν ξέρω και γω τι άλλο θυμηθείτε πως ήταν το 346 όταν πρωτοέβγαινε για το paintshop

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και τώρα βάλτε πλάι το 346 της SAA...

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Το δεύτερο είναι κατά την ταπεινή μου άποψη συγκρίσιμο μόνο με το 345 με livery Emirates ή με τα 74L (τώρα ο σέβεν4σέβεν θα αφρίζει) με Livery SAA.

2ον. Ο λόγος ύψος/μήκος ατράκτου δεν είναι και ο ιδανικός (με την έννοια ότι σαν 736 μοιάζει) αλλά σκεφτείτε ότι η Airbus έχει από καιρό υπ'όψιν και τη δημιουργία strech, του -900. Η κοντόχοντρη άτρακτος φαίνεται σε μερικούς άσχημη (χμμμ μερικούς είπαμε.... 747 SP ας πούμε.... not bad) αλλά είναι επένδυση στο μέλλον.

3ον. Η ζήτηση υπάρχει, στις αρχές Οκτωβρίου πέταξα MAD-HAV, HAV-CDG με 744 της IB/AF και μπορώ να σας πώ ότι ήτανε ψιλοφίσκα... Επιπλέον, θα έχει χαμηλότερο κόστος/θέση, οπότε, μάλλον σε φθηνότερα εισητίρια θα οδηγήσει.

4ον. To Airbus 340-500 είναι το πιο όμορφο αεροπλάνο όπως προλάλησε εις ανωτέρω.

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Best airplane/livery combination around for sure!!!

Αυτά

 

[Alex-LGSA]

3 A380 den einai afti ti stigmi sto hangar sto toulouse??
19/19.01 rollout

 

[goldfish]

747 kai ksero pswmi!

 

[makedonas]

747 kai ksero pswmi!

Kaln sou ope3n, Alex...

 

[A380]

747 kai ksero pswmi!

Oute to ksero pswmi maresei oute to 747!

A380 kai fresko pswmi!